Friday, May 21, 2010

Where did the idea that man has "Dominion" over the animals and the earth come from?

Dominion is defined as : Control or the exercise of control; sovereignty.





It is maybe true man has the ability to destroy or in animals put in cages, etc. Yes, mankind does domesticate animals, but that is far short of dominion. Who is the man who can by command control a hungry lion in the wild or stop a charging elephant by just convincving the elephant that he is subject to man or mankind Likewise which man is able to tell a tree to grow 6 feet this year and 3 feet next year?





Is it possible that too many Bible teachers are not truly giving much thought to what they teach?

Where did the idea that man has "Dominion" over the animals and the earth come from?
I blame Christianity for that one. Of course, Christianity is on my s*** list right now, so I may not be the most reliable source in this regard
Reply:When is the last time an animal told you what to do? Probably never!!!
Reply:I have always had a problem with this idea. When I was a very young child, my dad took me to church, and we used to have discussions about this. I always said that I just didn't feel like we were supposed to walk around acting superior to all other living creatures.





I also have to disagree with some of the responses. We are very high up in the food chain, but we are not at the top. Ants are probably closer to the top than us. Anyone who owns a pet (particularly a cat) knows that animals can sometimes rule over us. :) The animals that "listen" to the trainers in circuses do so because they have been severly abused a mistreated. Once again, they twist their holy text to fit their agenda...which in this case is that they want to be in charge of everything.
Reply:Genesis.


1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the face of the Earth.





So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. (Genesis 9:1-2)





We are given animals by God for our food and to use their skin and fur for clothing. We are not to abuse them but kill them in a humane way. So, don't feel bad if you eat meat or wear fur...God created animals for us, not the other way around. See scriptures below.





Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it." If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. (1 Corinthians 10:25-27 NIV)





Addressing the issue of clean vs. unclean food, Paul says:





As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. (Romans 14:14 NIV)





Thus Paul acknowledges that people differ in how they view these issues. In fact, he says:





One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. (Romans 14:2 NIV)





Why the reference to "weak faith"? Well, Paul makes it clear that not everyone knows or understand the above facts. Having shown that idols are nothing, he says:





But not everyone knows this. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. (1 Corinthians 8:7 NIV)





Thing is, when we eat and drink we thank the One who provided the meal, and thus eat in His honor:





So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. (1 Corinthians 10:31 NIV)





Don't forget to bless your food...
Reply:are we or are we not at the top of the food chain ....
Reply:Read Genesis 1:27-31 to find out that God does indeed grant man dominion over all living things on the earth. Man can't command a tree to grow 8 ft. overnight... but he can cut it down. Man can't tell an elephant to stop charging, but he can put a bullet through it's head. God says that because humans are created in His own image, that we have a special place to him.... to the point that he would give us the priority over all living creatures on the face of the earth. God loves every living creature, but He especially loves us, because we are created in His own likeness. That is so to say that we aren't to value the lives of any other creature higher than the life of a human.
Reply:Genesis 1:28
Reply:Man was given dominion by God, but man traded dominion to satan, in exchange for the knowledge of good and evil.





It was a fool's bargain.
Reply:You are trying to apply many different types of dominion (in their extreme) to a single use of the word. Nevertheless, let's answer one point at a time.





Who is the man who can by command control a hungry lion in the wild - dominion does not *necessarily* mean that the thing you have dominion over responds to your commands. I assure you, I have dominion over my tomato plant. It lives or dies at my whim, yet does not respond to my command.





Stop a charging elephant by convincing...





Dominion over a human can perhaps be accomplished by convincing, but I assure you, I have never had to convince my tomato plant of anything. And yet I retain my dominion...





Likewise which man is able to tell..





Of course, *all* men able to speak are able to tell a tree this. The fact that man cannot supersede the laws of nature ought to be an argument *for* believing the bible. The fact that my dominion of my tomato plant does not extend to this level does not negate my dominion over my tomato plant.





Another mind-bending question solved by Captain Obvious, http://www.jimpettis.com/wheel/...
Reply:This one isn't "Christianity", it is the Old Testament...the book of Genesis and the story of creation is common to more than just the Christian faith.





It comes from the story in Genesis (Gen. 1:28 to be precise). God gave Adam dominion over the all the life IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN. I think that's the part people forget when they think we still have dominion over animals.





How's this for a theory...


The way I've always thought about it was that Adam's choice to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil changed the nature of man...and God, being God, knew that man could no longer be trusted with control over the rest of his creation. In that moment, the nature of animals and even the nature of nature itself changed forever! Clearly we don't have dominion over the animals (or anything else) any more or animals wouldn't kill humans (or even each other), we wouldn't have poisionous plants (remember God told Adam he could eat everything EXCEPT the one tree he chose!), and the earth itself wouldn't have the ability to strike back at the poor management decisions of man (e.g., mudslides caused cutting trees or over developing)! None of those reactions would be necessary because God created man to be a good manager of his creation...Adam decided to choose a different path!
Reply:It's actually in the Bible, God gave Adam after he created him, dominion over all the animals of the earth.
Reply:It was God's idae not mans .No doubt about it God created Adam then Eve both in his own image and then.....





Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.





God said it, that settles it! Cap'n Arlo
Reply:Christianity..... donno the exact quote - but Christian God gives Adam dominion over all the animals etc. (from memory)..... applied in some ways of Magick too (but, don't care to comment further)...
Reply:um a circus performer can control those animals


you dont make sense
Reply:Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.





Just where do you get that domestication is not the same as dominion?


The whole idea is that of steward and caretaker. But as with all other things that were intended sin (disobedience) entered the picture and man took the selfish path that the curse led him down and he has perverted it as he has everything else that was created good like sex.








radah


1) to rule, have dominion, dominate, tread down


a) (Qal) to have dominion, rule, subjugate


b) (Hiphil) to cause to dominate





2) to scrape out


a) (Qal) to scrape, scrape out
Reply:The Bible does. The primary issue in the general lack of true dominion is the fall of man from his original perfection.
Reply:Lady Morgana got it right. It was those darn Christians who wrote the book of Genesis.
Reply:Its actually in the Bible - Genesis but I don't remember the exact chapter %26amp; verse. People just tend to think that it means they should smash, conquer %26amp; control everything because of this "dominion".
Reply:God said it ,that is where it comes from and if He said it ,it shall be so. Who can argue with God ???
Reply:The animals are our little brothers and children of our mother earth and our duty to them is protection not dominion.

gina

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